Join Jerry Savelle and his special guest Richard Roberts as they discuss "Honoring Your Heritage of Faith". The Bible is full of faithful men and women who lived by faith and we have been commanded to do the same. In Romans 1:17 it says "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." God is looking for faith. He's looking for men and women who will believe him, who will stand up for his Word, and only believe!
full textual sermon Honoring Your Heritage of Faith, Part 1 - Richard Roberts, Jerry Savelle
Jerry Savelle: Hello everyone. I'm Jerry Savelle. Welcome to our broadcast today. We have a very special program with you, and I also have a very special friend. Richard Roberts, welcome sir.
RICHARD: Jerry Savelle, it's an honor to be with you. God bless you and Carolyn, and all your ministry.
Jerry Savelle: Thank you so much. We've been friends for many, many years.
RICHARD: Many, many years and I'm so grateful.
Jerry Savelle: I've loved your mom and your dad. Course they're in heaven now, but I tell you, they were very special people in my life. I love them so very much.
RICHARD: I thank God for my heritage, and I thank God that you're my friend and I'm your friend. You have imparted into my life in so many ways, and I appreciate it. I'm honored to be on your program today.
Jerry Savelle: Well, thank you sir. We're going to be talking about honoring your heritage of faith. You know the first thing I want to say about that is this, the faith movement is not over. In fact, let me even correct that statement. It is not a movement, it has never been a movement, it is a lifestyle.
RICHARD: That's right.
Jerry Savelle: The just shall live by faith. Anybody that tells you that the movement is over, they just don't know a whole lot about the Bible. Amen. Faith is a lifestyle. We're going to be living by faith for the rest of our lives, and in fact, in case you didn't know it when you get to heaven you're still going to be using your faith. The only difference in using your faith in heaven and using it in the earth, I know you've heard the devil's not going so there won't be any resistance to it. Amen?
RICHARD: That means you're going to have a victory every time.
Jerry Savelle: That's right.
RICHARD: I like that.
Jerry Savelle: We'll be creating universes with our faith.
RICHARD: Praise God.
Jerry Savelle: Amen. Richard, you grew up in a household of faith. Of course your dad was famous for being one of the great pioneers of faith. Tell me what it was like to grow up in a house with Oral and Evelyn Roberts.
RICHARD: How much time do you have? Do you have a few hours?
Jerry Savelle: Just tell me all the good parts.
RICHARD: How much time do you have? Jerry Savelle, it was good and bad. It was good from the standpoint that I loved my dad. I loved to travel with him. I got to travel with him all over the world. Really, I was schooled in faith, and schooled in the healing ministry. It was hard because he was gone a lot and sometimes I couldn't go because of school. I had to be alone a lot because he traveled so much. Also, it was difficult because I took the brunt of all the Oral Roberts jokes when I was in school. The students were critical, and sometimes the teachers were critical. The children had heard something from their parents, and I took a lot of ribbing, and I took a lot of attacks against me. But overall, I have to give praise to God because it did teach me strength. It caused me to be independent. It caused me to learn how to use my faith, like you were talking about, and to live by faith every day of my life.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah. When I first came to the Lord in 1969, the man who brought the message of faith to me was Kenneth Copeland. I didn't know at that time that he had worked for your dad.
Jerry Savelle: That he was co-pilot on the airplane.
RICHARD: That's right, I knew him in those days.
Jerry Savelle: A lot of the things that I learned from Brother Copeland, I didn't know at that time that he'd learned them from your dad. In fact, I remember one time I was driving him to a meeting. Shortly after I surrendered my life to the Lord, God created the opportunity for me to come to work with Brother Copeland. I moved to Ft Worth, and I worked for him. Back in those days, it was just me, and him, and Gloria. We traveled all over the place. He was preaching the word of faith and so forth. I would set up the meeting halls, and then I would drive him back and forth to the meeting. One of the first things he told me was, "Now, I don't talk when we drive to the meeting." He said, "The last voice I want to hear is God in my prayer time, so don't be talking to me."
RICHARD: That's sounds vaguely familiar.
Jerry Savelle: I didn't know he learned that from your dad. Every once in awhile we'd just be driving along there and I didn't talk. I was just as quiet as I possibly could because I respected the anointing on his life. I saw what it produced in the meetings, and I didn't want to be any reason why that anointing wasn't present because I didn't do my job. I remember sometimes we'd just be driving along and he'd hit me on the shoulder and he'd say, "I'm going to give you the three keys to success. Number one, find out the will of God. Number two, confer no more with flesh and blood. Number three, get the job done at any cost." I'm driving and I couldn't stop and write it down, and so I would confess I had the mind of Christ. "I will remember everything he said." As soon as we got to where we were going, I got my notebook out and I wrote all that down. Then one day, I was reading one of your father's books, and there was that, "Find out the will of God. Confer no more with flesh and blood." Kenneth was passing down that heritage of faith that he learned from your dad, to me.
RICHARD: Let me see if he did this to you, because here's what my dad used to do to us. We would get in the car after the service, and we learned not to make the mistake of saying, "I liked your message, Daddy."
Jerry Savelle: I learned that too.
RICHARD: He would say, "Tell me three things that you liked about my message." We had to be prepared. We didn't say we liked his message unless we were prepared with three specific reasons. We learned that from him as well.
Jerry Savelle: Oh yeah, I learned that. Preaching with him at ORU, and in the minister's conference one time. I said, "Brother Robert, that was such a great service." He said, "Give me the three main scriptures I mentioned and three main points." I went blank. I knew it all, but I just went blank. I wasn't expecting that. A number of years later, I invited him and your mom to come and do one of my conferences. They were staying in our home. Jesse and Cathy Duplantis, which we were very close to and still are, they had never met your dad at that time. I asked him if it'd be alright if I invite Jesse and Cathy to come and stay with us as well. So he said, "Sure." After that opening night service, your dad preached, we went to have dinner at our home. I deliberately set Jesse next to your dad. I thought sure he would say, "Brother Roberts, that was a great sermon," and he did. Your dad said, "Give me my three main points." Jesse's lip started quivering. I'm sitting over there laughing. He said, "You set me up." I said, "Yes, I did. I knew that was coming."
RICHARD: Oh boy.
Jerry Savelle: But you know, the purpose in doing that was to make sure you got it.
RICHARD: Sure, sure.
Jerry Savelle: Praise God I got it.
RICHARD: I can remember times I was in services with my dad when after he finished preaching, he would walk through the crowd and say, "What did you get out of this message? What did you get out of this message? What did you get? What did the Lord say to you?" That just helps solidify the message in the people's minds and spirits.
Jerry Savelle: That's right. Your dad was a great pioneer of the faith.
Jerry Savelle: And a great pioneer of the healing and miracle message, and a great pioneer of the fact that God wanted us to prosper.
RICHARD: He not only knew that the Word had to be preached, but he also knew that the Word had to be confirmed with miracles, and signs, and wonders. Plus, he knew that it was God's will for you to prosper. He and my mother had discovered that back in the late 1940s, that God had shown him in 3 John 2, "Beloved, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers." When he discovered it, he read that scripture to my mother and my mother said, "Oral, is that in the Bible?" He turned over to 3 John 2 and read it to her. She said, "Well, I never seen that before." Well it's there. He wants you to prosper and he wants you to be in health. He wants you to be well in every area of your life. He poured that into us as children.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah, and that's probably when he first started saying, "God is a good God. Something good's going to happen to you."
RICHARD: Which was an offshoot of God is a good God.
Jerry Savelle: That's right.
RICHARD: In fact, he called Stewart Hamlin, who wrote a number of great gospel songs. By the way someone has had pain that runs down the back of your shoulder. You're being healed right now in the name of Jesus. That's a word of knowledge. The Lord can interrupt any time he wants. He called Stewart Hamlin and said, "Write me a song. I want it to be called God Is A Good God." He would say, "God is a good God, and the devil is a bad devil. There's no goodness in the devil, there's no badness in God." He said, "Stewart, write me a song that says God is a good God." Stewart wrote, "God is a good God, every heartache he understands. There is healing power, there are miracles in the touch of his wonderful hands. What he's done for others he will do for you, if you'll only believe and trust him to, for God is a good God, and his goodness he will show to you." Then he changed that some years later to, "Something good is going to happen to you," and he called Ralph Carmichael, who was doing our music at the time. He said, "Ralph, write me a song that says, 'Something good is going to happen to you'. I want Richard to sing it on our program." For years, I sang that every week.
Jerry Savelle: Oh yeah, I remember watching it.
RICHARD: "Something good is going to happen to you, happen to you this very day." I sang that, and I still sing it today.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah, and of course back then when I was watching it I was just a young believer. I never dreamed that I'd meet you or your dad, but I'd watch you every week. I admired your dad so much. Of course you've heard this, and I told him often that in about 1957 is when I heard the call of God, and I was watching your dad on TV when I heard that call. Like I said, I never dreamed that I'd ever meet either you, or him, or your mom, but when God made that happen, it was one of the finest days of my life because I respected him so much and still do. I learned so much from his resources, his books. In fact, recently I was in Italy and Sicily. I read the book of your dad's life story again, and I'd read it at least a dozen times, but I took it with me to read it again. I finished it on the way over there, I read it again on the way back. It still touches my life in such a special way.
RICHARD: I helped him write parts of that book.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah.
RICHARD: He would bring me manuscripts and have me edit and have me make changes. As a matter of fact, I remember in 1969, you mentioned '69 earlier, he was writing The Miracle of Seed Faith.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah.
RICHARD: I had learned how to type when I was 14 in Oklahoma Business School. He would write by hand on a legal yellow pad, yellow legal pad, and he would give it to me. I would type it and then he would edit it and send it back to me and I'd type it again. Then he'd get it to where he wanted it. I feel like I co-wrote that book with him because he'd let me interject my thoughts from time to time too.
Jerry Savelle: The first book I ordered from your ministry was The Miracle of Seed Faith. That was in 1969, when I came to the Lord. One day I was watching your dad's program, and he offered that book free. I turned to Carolyn and I said, "Carolyn, we can afford this one. It's free." We got that book, The Miracle of Seed Faith, and I have preached messages over the years, and one of them I entitle The Greatest Spiritual Law I've Ever Learned, and it's that law of seed time and harvest.
RICHARD: Well that book is probably the best book that he ever wrote among the many books that he wrote. He wrote some great books. But that book went into the hands of some three and a half million people around the world. I still hear testimonies, people who are reading it from from those days, are still receiving healings, and testimonies today.
Jerry Savelle: I've had the privilege of preaching, I'm coming up on 49 years in the ministry. I preached all over the world. From time to time I'll preach one of your dad's sermons. People think it's my sermon. I usually tell them, "This I learned from Oral Roberts," but somehow they forget that and they think it's mine.
RICHARD: But see he taught me that truth is truth. No matter where you find it, truth is truth. If you get something that's good and from the Bible, and you can back it up with scripture, preach it. You don't need to give anybody any credit, just preach it in Jesus' name, and believe that God will confirm it.
Jerry Savelle: One time I was at ORU in the minister's conference there, Charismatic Bible Ministry.
Jerry Savelle: After I preached, he come up to me. He said, "Look at this." He had written in the back of his Bible ... and I preached the message on the force of joy. He had at the title, Oral's Joy. He had all my notes. Then he said, "Now I'm going to preach that and I'm not telling anybody where I got it."
RICHARD: Just like him.
Jerry Savelle: I said, "Well Brother Roberts, I've been doing you that way for years, so help yourself."
RICHARD: Well, he used to say to me, "Richard, you're the only one I know except for Jerry Savelle, who will take the great truths of the Bible that God gave me, and preach them like they're your own and be proud of them."
Jerry Savelle: Yeah. You know, your wife, bless her heart, recently she was digging through old outlines and stuff from the ministry, and she found on a yellow sheet of paper, where he had been in my meeting, I believe it's in Anaheim, California.
RICHARD: Yes, it was.
Jerry Savelle: I was preaching with Brother Copeland. Your dad took notes and he had my name written in there about three different times. She sent that over to me, and his own handwritten notes, and sent that to me. I thought
RICHARD: And where he preached it in Denver a couple weeks later, and gave you no credit whatsoever.
Jerry Savelle: That's right, but he wrote my name in there. I thought, "What a privilege. Oral Roberts is preaching one of Jerry Savelle's sermons." RICHARD: Praise God.
Jerry Savelle: Amen. Well, tell me about ... Of course, I know you were just a young boy when your dad first entered into the healing ministry, but what do you remember the most about that, in those Crusades?
RICHARD: I remember the miracles, Jerry Savelle. He would preach. He preached long messages. I asked him, "Daddy, why do you preach so long?" He said, "Because people have to be schooled in faith. They need healing, but they don't know how to get into a position." In those days, much of the church did not believe in healing. They believed that healing died out when the apostles died out. But he came along with the message that God wants you well in every area of your life. He had to preach long messages to build people's faith, so that when they came into the healing line, they could learn how to release their faith through a point of contact, and expect a miracle. But the part that I loved the most was after he preached, and after he had given an invitation, then he would send those people after they prayed and accepted Christ, to a little prayer tent where the pastors were. His goal was not to take them home with him, but to plant them in churches all over that city, or the rural area, wherever he was.
Jerry Savelle: Sure.
RICHARD: The he would go to a special tent, an extra tent called the Invalid Tent where people who would go who were too sick to stand in the prayer line. He would ... Let me go with him. And I saw ... It was like standing at the pool of Bethesda, all manner of sickness and disease in that little tent, people who couldn't stand up, who couldn't get into the prayer line, and I would walk with him as he prayed for each one, laying hands on them individually and praying. Then, of course, he came back in for the main prayer line, and I sat there, always sat over on the right side, from just looking from the stage on the right-hand side, and I just waited for him, hoping and praying that he would say, "Son, come up here and stand by me as I pray for people." And many times he would do that, and I could come up and stand by his side and, sometimes, he would say, "Richard, you touch them, as well." I didn't realize that he was preparing me, and God was preparing me for the healing ministry that I entered into back in 1980, but those were ... Those were great days, and of course on Sunday afternoons, he would lay hands on everyone who had not yet received the prayer of faith, and many times I would walk those prayer lines with him. I remember once ... You mentioned 1957 ... He pitched his tent in New Jersey in Trenton, New Jersey, and it was over 100 degrees in the summer in August, and it was probably 120 in the tent. And the last day, there were 9,000 that had not yet received the prayer of faith, and he walked prayer lines and laid hands on 9,000, and I walked every step with him, and sometimes he would say, "Son, you touch them with me as well." But I was being schooled in faith, learning how to have an anointing on my life from God and to pray for the sick and to believe God for miracles, and that prepared me for what I'm doing today.
Jerry Savelle: And of course that same anointing just it operates in a little bit different way predominantly with the word of knowledge.
RICHARD: Yes. God gave him a sign. The sign came through his right hand, and God showed me that I would operate through the word of knowledge like I did a few moments ago with the healing in the back of the neck and the shoulder. Not because one's better than the other. They're just different. They're different administrations. Different ministries, but the result is the same. The result is healing.
Jerry Savelle: Yeah, and that's the thing. God is trying to get people well.
RICHARD: That's right. That's his greatest wish.
Jerry Savelle: That's the purpose for all the gifts of the Spirit. God is wanting people well. He wants them whole. Amen, and that's what we, you and I both, have been doing for many, many years now, and God is still in the healing business.
RICHARD: And we will continue. That's what we'll continue to do. Well, he has not shut down his light out in front of the healing shop.
Jerry Savelle: Amen.
RICHARD: He's still in the healing business.
Jerry Savelle: In Luke chapter 18, Richard, and of course, I know you're familiar with this, about this little woman who went to this unjust judge, and she was asking him to avenge her, and he kept telling her no and would shut the door in her face, and leave me a lone and so forth, but she wouldn't give up, and she just kept knocking, and finally he says to her-
RICHARD: Was her name Lindsay? Or Carolyn. I'm not sure.
Jerry Savelle: One of them. May have been both of them. And eventually, he says, so that this woman will not continue to trouble me, I will give her what she desires. And then Jesus makes this statement. "I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man commeth, shall he find faith in the earth." Now this is a great example of an unwavering faith, a determined faith, and he says, "Will he find faith in the earth?" So, that tells me that this is not a movement. This is not something that is a fad. This is not something that is here one day and gone the next. Jesus specifically said, "Will I find faith in the earth when I return." So this is a lifestyle that every believer is supposed to be living before God, supposed to be living in front of their children. In fact, the reason I wrote this book about honoring your heritage of faith is because God said that the reason he chose Abraham to enter into covenant with is because he knew he would teach and train his children. In other words, he would pass it on. It would be perpetual, that it wouldn't end with just Abraham, and when the Bible talks about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, three generations, I think God thinks, "If I can get this message in at least three generations, it will be perpetuated. It will continue in the earth." Well, I got ahold of it in 1969. My children are living it, and they're preaching it. Both of them are preachers of faith. Now my grandchildren are getting it, and so if the Lord tarries, I've got three generations of Savelle's that live by faith.
RICHARD: Well, I got it through my father, and then when I married Lindsay, she got it because my father always considered Lindsay a daughter, not a daughter-in-law. He called her a Daughter of Israel to her face. That's what he called her. And then, it's in my children, and so there's three generations right there as well through the Roberts.
Jerry Savelle: So, this walk of faith, this life of faith, it's supposed to be perpetuated, and what we're endeavoring to do is to teach people just like you what we've learned about the life of faith, teach you how to operate in it, and encourage you to stick with it. Don't give up because so many people have given up. So many people ... In fact, a lot of preachers, a lot of pastors that I have preached for over the years, they're no longer preaching the word of faith. They've walked away from it. And I notice here that he specifically says, "Will he find faith on the earth?" He didn't say, "Will I find grace on the earth? Will I find love on the earth?" Those are all important.
RICHARD: Well when he asked the question-
Jerry Savelle: But what he's looking for is faith.
RICHARD: When he asked that question, what's indicative in that question is I'm looking for faith. You know they say the Marines are looking for a few young men-
Jerry Savelle: A few good men.
RICHARD: God is looking for faith. He's looking for men and women who will believe him. Will stand up for his Word, and believe him in the name of Jesus. J
ERRY: Amen. and I want to pray for each and every one of you that are watching this broadcast today. Maybe you didn't grow up in a household of faith like Richard did and like our children have. Maybe you're just coming to the Lord, and you're just now learning about faith. I want to encourage you to stay in the Word of God. Don't let anybody talk you out of your faith. The Bible says faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. The more time you spend in the Word, the stronger your faith is going to become, and don't ... Once again, don't let anybody talk you out of it. It's not a movement. It's a lifestyle. The just shall live by faith. So Richard, like your dad used to do, stretch your hand out and pray for all of our viewing audience.
RICHARD: Father, in the authority of Jesus' name, I come against every sickness, every disease, every fear, every doubt. I come against anything and everything that's unlike God. In the authority of Jesus' name, I pray for healing from the crown of your head even unto the soles of your feet. Be healed in the authority of Jesus' name. Satan, you take your hands off God's property. I pray for you to be healed in every area of your life from the crown of your head even unto the soles of your feet, right now in the name of Jesus, and I expect a miracle with you.
Jerry Savelle: Praise God. Amen. The Bible says Mark the 11th chapter, the 24th verse that we are to believe we received when we pray. So, one of the greatest expressions of faith is thanksgiving and praise. Just begin to lift your hands and thank God that you are healed. You are delivered. And you are free.
RICHARD: I receive it.
Jerry Savelle: Amen. Richard and I will be back in just a moment. (Music)
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Jerry Savelle: Thank you once again for joining us today. It's been a privilege sharing the Word with you, and Richard and I will be back next week continuing to talk about honoring your heritage of faith. Let me remind you that our special offer this week, my book entitled, Honoring Your Heritage of Faith. I wrote this a number of years ago. In fact, it was the result of Brother Copeland asking me to come and speak to his staff. He said, "You're the Kenneth Copland's Ministries historian." Cause I'd been there longer than anybody other than Kenneth and Gloria themselves, and he said, "Come talk about what you learned in those early days regarding faith." And he said, "A lot of our staff, today, they don't know anything about our early days. You do." So I went over to speak to the staff, and as a result of it, God put in my heart to write this book entitled Honoring Your Heritage of Faith. Powerful little book. Talks about how that God expects you to teach your children and your children's children how to operate in faith, and once again, as I said earlier, if God can get three generations to live by faith, there's a strong possibility it will be perpetuated right on up until the appearing of Jesus. And then, back in 1981, Richard, I was preaching with Brother Copeland in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I'd already preached all of my services. Usually I always preach in the morning, the afternoon. Brother Copeland did the evening services. The last night of that meeting, we walked into the auditorium, and I'm sitting on the front row there with Carolyn and Gloria and Charles Capps, and I believe Norvel Hayes was one of the speakers. And we're getting ready for Brother Copeland to preach. He walked up to the podium, and he said, "Let's open our Bibles." And we're waiting to hear where, and he never told us. Finally, he closed his, and he said, "Jerry Savelle. I believe God wants you to close this meeting out. Come on up here." So I didn't have a clue what I was going to preach, but I'd worked with Brother Copeland long enough to stay ready. And so, when I walked up to that-
RICHARD: That old boy right there was just like that too. Jerry Savelle: Yeah. When I walked up to the podium, I just laid my Bible down. Still didn't know what I was going to preach. And it opened to the book of Daniel. And I started preaching your dad's most famous tent sermon called The Fourth Man, and I didn't know that all that was in me because that was the first sermon I ever heard your dad preach when I was little boy in 1957 when I heard the call to preach. And I started preaching The Fourth Man, and I had no idea all that was in me. We had miracles that night. It was so powerful, and your dad allowed me to put this on DVD, and present it to our partners and our friends, and a lot of people still to this day think it's my sermon, but I put your dad on the front cover so they'd know I learned this from your daddy. So this is our offer this week, my book Heritage of Faith and The Fourth Man DVD.
RICHARD: It'll bless you.
Jerry Savelle: Order it, and I'm telling you, you won't be able to put it down.
RICHARD: It'll bless you.
Jerry Savelle: Amen. So be sure and join with us again next week, and until then, remember, your faith will overcome the world.
ANNOUNCER: Next week.
Jerry Savelle: God made a covenant with Adam. Adam blew it, but then he started over with Noah. And then eventually, he made a covenant with Abraham, and the Bible says, "We are the seed of Abraham." But notice that God used the word perpetual. So this was something that was supposed to last indefinitely.
RICHARD: On and on and on.
Jerry Savelle: On and on and on.
RICHARD: Generation after generation.
Jerry Savelle: That's correct.