The sermon "God Our Healer" - Enjoying Everyday Life - Joyce Meyer and Paul Osteen (online). Paul Bushey: and I did a lot of things a few years ago I shouldn't have done, and had three heart attacks and two cardiac arrests because of heroin. And that's the night I laid in the hospital and accepted Jesus. Wanda: I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism when I was 12. So, all through my 20s, I was dealing with that. And I had to start taking a beta blocker because my heart was beating too fast. Susanna: I had been having rotator cuff issues for about 6 months, just cranking, sharp pains, just I couldn't reach all the way with my shoulder. Paul Bushey: they had me on the transplant list. I had done a lot of damage in my heart. Started really praying. I started to really get involved in the bible and the church. And you know, as time went by, my faith grew. Wanda: I said, "okay Jesus, I believe your word." And I get up, and I read healing scriptures, and that was about 8 years ago. I have never had another problem with my thyroid. Susanna: just was reminded that the holy spirit lives in me. The power that Jesus has is in me because of him in me. So, I just placed my hand on my shoulder and just prayed over my shoulder, just a really simple prayer. And instantly, like all the shooting pain was gone.
Full SermonPaul Bushey: I was on some medications, but the last time we tested about a year and a half ago, it almost back to normal. And it's only by prayer, and it's only by faith, and it's only by my surrender to him.
Susanna: so, I would just encourage people to just remember who you are. It comes down to an identity issue. I am the daughter of a king. Dream big, ask big, have big expectancy.
Wanda: you know, sometimes God will heal us instantly, but through the process that we continue to pray, we don't give up. We keep praying, and believing, and standing on God's word. Because what i've found is that our journey can help somebody else.
Joyce Meyer: well, it's so encouraging to hear testimonies like that, and to realize that Jesus is our healer. And you know what? He still heals today, and he can heal in many different ways. No one knows that better than my guest, dr. Paul Osteen. Dr. Paul Osteen is a general surgeon who spends many months each year on the mission field, as well as serving with his brother, pastor Joel Osteen, at lakewood church in houston. Well, Paul Osteen, it's good to have you with us today.
Paul Osteen: it's good to be here, Joyce Meyer.
Joyce Meyer: we love you.
Paul Osteen: thank you, we love you.
Joyce Meyer: you're on our board, and we appreciate that. You know, Paul Osteen, the thing that's been on my heart is to really help everybody understand that Jesus is interested in their health. And not just our spirit, but in every area of our lives, our mind, our emotions, every area. And for me, finding out that Jesus would heal me emotionally was a life changer. And I spent a lot of years in church and never knew that. And he also wants to heal us physically. Now, when I first started kind of coming up in the word movement, I learned about miracles and healings, and that God would do miracles. But then I got a little bit confused at some point because I didn't always see that happening. And so, you know, i've learned over the years that he does miracles, he does healings, but also he works through doctors, he works through medicine, he works through--one of the things that i've discovered in my life is sometimes, i'll have something going on, and i'll pray about it, and God will show me something that I need to change. And so, why don't you talk to us a little bit and tell us what-- I know your mom had a great miracle, so why don't we maybe start with that like?
Paul Osteen: yeah, Joyce Meyer, there's no doubt that God is jehovah rapha, he's the Lord our healer. I like to think about it like this, that all healing originates with God. And whether it comes through medicine, whether it comes through supernatural healing, it originates from God. And you know, I tell people, "don't look to me for your healing, look to God." But you know, it's an interesting story with my mom. In 1981, at 48 years of age, she was diagnosed with metastatic adenocarcinoma to her liver. That means a tumor had broken off somewhere in her abdomen and gone to her liver, and she had multiple lesions in her liver. And she weighed 89 pounds, she was jaundiced, she was weak, she had fever, very, very sick. And they did a biopsy, a needle biopsy of that liver tumor, one of the liver tumors. And at a good hospital in houston, I mean these are reputable, great hospitals in houston, it was clearly cancer. So, there's no doubt in my mind that she had cancer in her liver metastatic from somewhere else. And really, back then, there was absolutely no proof that chemotherapy radiation or any kind of treatment helped prolong survival or disease-free interval as we call it. So, my mom and dad, you know what? They left the hospital and they said, "Jesus, we're in your hands." And they knew this truth that we're talking about, that jehovah rapha, the Lord is still our healer, and that Jesus demonstrated that 2,000 years ago. He showed us the nature and character of God by touching and healing people. And so, on december the 11th, they got down on the floor of their bedroom, and my dad prayed, and my mom, just as it were, received her healing. Not much changed, but you know what? She received her healing that day.
Joyce Meyer: and so, but then she started getting better, right?
Paul Osteen: yeah. Joyce Meyer, I think my mom demonstrates some really great things. She did four things I think that are important. First is this, that she found where it was written in God's word. There's lots of scriptures, but she has about I think 55 healing scriptures that she began to read and meditate on throughout the day. And she still does that even to this day. But number one, she got the word in her. And one of the things we always say at our church is, "put God's word in you when you don't need it so it'll come out of you when you do need it." But the second thing she did is she forgave, or she asked for forgiveness. She thought maybe she'd offended people, her children, different people. I love the fact that mom tried to clear her heart. You know, get rid of anything that she had against anybody. And then another thing I think was key to her healing is she put pictures up of herself when she was healthy. So, she had a picture when she was in her wedding dress, and a picture when she was riding a horse in montana. So, on her mirror, she'd put those pictures so she had a choice to either look at how she was, or look at how she wanted to be. So, Joel calls it a vision of victory. I hear you preach so many times get a vision of where God wants to take you. And so, she chose to look at those pictures. And then the last thing she did I thought that was so important, even when she was sick, when she was weak, when she was tired, when she didn't--felt like other people should be waiting on her, she got in her car, and she went, and she prayed for as many people as she could. You know what? It didn't happen overnight, but overtime, my mom began to regain strength, regain her health.
Joyce Meyer: so, see, that's one of the things I want people to understand is a miracle is something that happens right now. But a healing, which is still a miracle, but that was something where she received by faith, and then she had to continue standing and believing. And she did those handful of things that she felt like that God showed her to do. And then little by little, gradually, she began to see a difference. Now, she chose not to take chemotherapy, but like for me, when I had breast cancer several years ago, I had the choice of either just standing firm and just trusting God for a miracle, or having a surgery, which I wasn't real crazy about having. Because then they did pretty radical stuff. That's been 27 years ago. And I really felt like that I was supposed to have the surgery. So, each time that you're trusting God for a healing, you need to look to him to show you what direction he wants you to take. But so, here's this miracle, you saw that, but yet you operate on people all the time. So, tell us about the other side of it, where you do need the medical help.
Paul Osteen: yeah, I think, Joyce Meyer, you're exactly right. If medicine, if surgery, if chemo radiation can clearly help you, I think you need to be very careful not to want to embrace that because if we clearly know that we can help you in medicine, you know, i'd pray long and hard before I didn't have that treatment. But I love the way oral roberts used to put it. I was in his medical school, at oru's medical school. He said, "join the healing hands of medicine with the healing hands of prayer." And I just think that is the most beautiful combination because when people come to me, i'll operate on them, i'll do whatever I can do to help them. But I don't want them necessarily to put their faith in me. They have to put their faith in God who's behind me, who is the healer. But I can tell you when you join those two, when there's a faith, and a hope, and an optimism, and a--and even you preach a series on there's delivering faith and sustaining faith. Sometimes, going through illnesses, you have to have that sustaining faith God's with you. People that join those two hands together, they do better. They recover quicker, they live longer. You know what? I can just tell you they do better.
Joyce Meyer: yeah, and I really think one of the things that i'm wanting to get across to our viewing audience is not only that Jesus is their healer, because I think a lot of people don't know that. I mean, a lot of people really who love God really think that medicine is the only option, and doctors is the only option. And I mean, I go to doctors, I take medicine, but i've learned over the years that nothing is going to work for me if God doesn't bless that and anoint that. So, it's not an either/or. It's not either i'm going to get a miracle, or i'm going to go to the doctor. Even if you go to the doctor, you need to trust God for the right doctor. You need to trust God to give him--that doctor wisdom. You need to trust God to prescribe the right thing for it to work right in your body. And I think that too often, we're either like one way or the other. And so, I just really wanted to encourage people that Jesus is their healer. We've seen lots and lots of miracles, and heard too many stories over the years. And i'll be honest and say that most of the time, when I need something physical from God, it comes more over a period of time. I have not personally experienced an outrageous healing miracle, but I know that there's many people that have. And even though I haven't, I still believe in them because i've just been reading acts just this week, and i'm like, "my goodness, miracle after miracle after miracle after miracle." But we want to--we just want people to trust God in every single area of their life. Tell us a little bit about some of the missions work that you do in africa 'cause we're real involved in medical missions here at the ministry, and i'd like you to tell them how important those medical missions are.
Paul Osteen: well, you know, Joyce Meyer, I just got back from zambia, and I was the only qualified surgeon in an area the size of louisiana. So, you just have to be over there and realize people don't have ibuprofen if they have a headache, they don't have tylenol if they have a headache. Just the contrast is almost--it's almost like it's unbelievable. But what God's called me to do is I know a lot of missionary doctors who work in mission hospitals all over africa, and they need breaks. And so, what i'll do is i'll go in for 3 1/2 months and allow the main surgeon at mukinge mission hospital to go back to new zealand, where he's from. And those breaks, just like in any ministry or any job, it's just--it's a great way to give the missionaries a break, and then of course I love taking care of patients. I love operating on people. I love taking care of people that don't have any option. You know, many times we're the only option that they have. And doing that, you're the hands and feet of Jesus, but also you get to tell them about Jesus.
Joyce Meyer: I know when we started doing medical missions, I mean, it was kind of a divine assignment. I won't go into that whole story, but I was actually sick myself when God put that on my heart. And I called my son not long after that and said, "we need to try to do something in medical missions." And so, we started a big thing. And I know--i remember one man in particular, he had broken his leg, and we were out in this village in india. And he had been able to go to our hospital in chandrakal and get his leg fixed. But I said, "now, what would have happened to him if we wouldn't have been there?" And they said, "his leg would've healed in his hut, and he would've been crippled his whole life." So, there's so many things that we just don't understand that other people are going through. And I think one of the things that anybody can and should do, like you said, your mom when she was sick, she prayed for other people. I think another good thing that people do is support medical missions, is care about these people that are in other parts of the world. And so, we're going to take a short break, and then we're going to come back, and we're going to talk about few of the other miracles that you've seen just to give people encouragement. Well, stay with us, and i'll be right back after this.
Krista: I got sick with lymes disease. In the midst of that, I end up having bell palsy five times. I was having 30 to 40 seizures a day. I couldn't walk, I couldn't talk.
Lindy: I had an accident with a window. I was trying to let a wasp out of the window. And the window came smashing down on my hands. I felt these two fingers were broken, and I had nerve damage along the inside of this one. And these other three fingers were also slammed, but I managed to pull them out of the window.
Denise: I found out I had endometriosis, and I went through laparoscopic surgery to remove it. That lasted for about a year and a half. The doctor had told me that I was going to have a hysterectomy.
Lindy: at that time, I had prayer for my hands. My hand is on an icepack, and yet i'm feeling heat. And within a few minutes, there was no pain. I could move my fingers again.
Denise: my husband then started praying for me at home, and laying his hands on my abdomen. And when my time of the month came around, I didn't have any more pain.
Krista: I just stood on God's word and his promises. And I know that God said that I was already healed. And I took his word on what he said and his promises, and I believed just that.
Lindy: trust God that he will take you, and hold you, and love you. And in his time, he will heal you. It may not be how you want, at the time that you want it, but God's got your back.
Denise: the doctor come in and she's like, "well, you know, you have to tell me what's going on. You know, what happened? I thought we were all scheduled for surgery here." And she just confirmed it with a physical. And she was astounded. She didn't really know what to say because she had never seen that happen before.
Joyce Meyer: well, dr. Paul Osteen, it's great to be able talk about these things that God has done for people, but it's also good to remind people that what he's done in the past, he can do again. And if he's done it for anybody, he can do it for everybody. And so, I want people to take these things personally, and believe God for miracles and healings in their own lives. So, I know you have another story about a boy that you want to tell us about that I think would be good, so.
Paul Osteen: yeah, I think, Joyce Meyer, this represents kind of the perspective of the world. This young boy, his name is kipkri. He came to tenwek mission hospital, where I was several years ago. And when he came, he was dressed in a girl's dress. It shows how poor he was 'cause that's all he had to wear. And when he came, he weighed 50 pounds. He was 14 years of age. He literally looked like a skeleton with skin over the top of him, and just real tragic. And I immediately thought, you know, he's got some kind of advanced cancer or, you know hiv/aids, with tuberculosis or something like that. And our limited tests that we were able to do there were negative. So, I decided to operate on him because it had to be in his abdomen. And so, when I operated on him, I had--he had a single band of scar tissue that was blocking his intestines. In 20 minutes, 20-minute operation, it completely relieved the obstruction. And after surgery, I asked the chaplain there, a good chaplain's program, asked in his language to find out if he was a believer and his social situation. And they didn't know the Lord, here his mom. They had walked 6 hours because they couldn't afford a $1.50 ride in a little matatu there. And it shows how poor they were. But anyways, mom and his-- he didn't know the Lord, his mom didn't know the Lord. His dad was alcoholic and had abandoned the family. So, my wife went out and got him some clothes, and we got him a backpack because we wanted-- he'd had to drop out of school, 2 years he'd been out of school. And we got him a bible, and we made sure jeremiah 29:11 was underlined. And about 2 days before he left the hospital, he accepted the Lord as the savior, and his mom accepted the Lord. And it's just a remarkable-- a remarkable story. But then a year ago, when I went back, I made the trek up to find kipkri again in his village. And when I found him, he looked like a totally different person. He was strong, he was healthy. And I found out that he was back in school, he was faithfully involved in his church. And his dad, who was alcoholic, had given his life to the Lord, had quit drinking, and was attentive to his family, was earning a living and supporting his family. Just an amazing, amazing story.
Joyce Meyer: you know what I tell people really often is that a lot of people are hurting so bad that just to tell them about Jesus isn't enough. I mean, you can't--that doesn't seem to get beyond their pain. But when you--when you go places like that, or even, you know, right here in america, if you help somebody, if you touch them where they're hurting, if you do something for them just to show the love of God, then the door is open for you to tell them about the Lord. And it all makes sense to them. And I think we need to remember that more. I think a lot of people were taught to witness and share the gospel and--but--and they're happy to talk, but we've got to also be willing to do. And I love the fact that you and your wife actually, you didn't just operate on him because that's what you were there to do, but you took it to the next step, and you provided some practical things for him, and you helped him in different ways. So, continue our conversation with healing just in case somebody's just kind of tuned in. I just know that a lot of people don't really know that they can trust Jesus for their healing. They know about doctors, they know about medicine, but they don't know about mixing prayer with that and really trusting God. I mean, I went to church for years and years. And when I was sick, it never occurred to me to pray. I didn't even think about that, you know? It might've been like, "oh God, you got to get rid of this pain," or something like that. But I didn't know how to release my faith and trust God for healing. So, take a minute if you will because you said, like when your mom had cancer, that her and your dad prayed, and she received her healing. So, it's one thing to have faith, it's another thing to release it. Talk to us a minute about if somebody's sick and they're watching today, and they say, "i want to trust God for healing," how would they go about that?"
Paul Osteen: well, I think the first thing is to realize that God is a healer, that's his nature, just like he loves us. He's the healer, he likes-- he wants to heal us. And I think to know in his word, you know, just find out where it's written. It's one of the things that we teach at our church. Find out where it's written. Look at the bible yourself, read the words yourself, walk through the pages of matthew, mark, luke, and john, and see that Jesus is a healer. And he is the best representation that we have of God ever on this earth. And so, just embrace the fact that God's a healer, and that you don't necessarily have to stay in that condition sick for the rest of your life. Just embrace the fact that, "you know, God, i'm going to release my faith, and i'm going to believe your word." And I think that's an important thing. Then like my mom did, you mentioned my mom, she not only did that every day because the devil would come with thoughts in her mind that today's the day you're going to die, or that particular dress is what they're going to use at your funeral. You have to--you have to fight the fight of faith. You have to continue to believe, and continue to meditate on God's word, and continue to let God's word come out of your mouth. I think that's an important thing. Don't describe your situation, describe where you want to be, what God says about your situation.
Joyce Meyer: but even in the midst of that, a person can be doing all that, and yet at the same time it's not wrong if they need to get some medical attention or take some kind of medicine. The thing is it doesn't have to be one way or the other. It's like no matter what you're doing on the natural side, you need to trust God to make it work. I don't think it makes any sense at all with the years of experience that i've had and what i've seen with people, I don't think it makes any sense at all to go to the doctor, or to put any kind of medicine in your mouth if you're not trusting God to make it work. Because everything, the key to everything is trusting God. That's what makes everything work is trusting God. I'd like to go back and revisit a couple things. One, the power of the word. And we're going to be offering in a minute as a free gift a cd where i'm just reading scriptures about healing and the miracles of Jesus. And it's probably right around 30 minutes, but people can play it over and over, they can play it as they go to bed at night, they can play it on their way to work. The word of God is seed. And seed always produces after its own kind. And so, I want to encourage people that as they listen to this, to expect that word then to produce healing in their life. And what we tell people on a regular basis in our conferences is after we pray for you for healing, then don't just keep talking about how you feel all the time, not that it's wrong to tell somebody how you feel, but to say "God's healing power is working in me." And let that word just work in you, and work in you, and work in you. You know, I know a story about a woman that had really bad arthritis, like rheumatoid arthritis. And it was--she was getting to the point where it was even difficult for her to walk. And God began to convict her in her heart to show her that she had unforgiveness, a lot of it, toward her mother-in-law. And so, she prayed and forgave her, and started really walking in love with the woman, and going the extra--it wasn't just like a prayer, but she put some action to it. She started walking in love with the woman, and you know that she got completely healed from that arthritis. Now, i'm not saying that everybody who has arthritis has unforgiveness, but we do need to take seriously what the bible says about if you have ought against your brother and you won't forgive him what he's done to you, then God can't forgive us either. So, if we're going to receive from God, we do need to make sure that there's nothing in our heart that's blocking us from doing that. It doesn't do much good to have known, purposeful sin in your life, and believe God for a miracle at the same time. So, I think all the advice that you're giving today as a medical doctor, I love this because you are a medical doctor who does surgery all the time, and yet you believe that even you cannot really help people if God doesn't help you to help them. And so, we want people to hook their faith up not just to go and get some medicine, but to believe God that he's going to make that work. If you trust God in every area of your life with your healing, you're going to see some real miraculous things take place in your life. So Paul Osteen, I want you to pray for people's healing today if you'll do that. You're a minister as well as a doctor.
Paul Osteen: that's right. Lord, thank you for this day. Thank you for your word, Lord. Thank you that you clearly show us that you're a healer. Lord, for everyone that's watching this show right now, Lord, I pray that they would just feel your presence and your love. And father, I pray that something would be birthed, like Joyce Meyer said, the seed would take root in their heart, father, that you are a healer and that you desire to heal them. And that they don't have to live in this chronic condition the rest of their lives. So Lord, I just pray a prayer of healing, that you would touch them wherever they are, and you would touch them and you'd heal them based on your word that says if we lay our hands on the sick, they would recover. That if any two of us ask anything, that you would do it for us, Lord. Based on the fact that you have demonstrated that you're a healer, we pray, father, that you would touch my brothers and my sisters wherever they are, whatever they're suffering with. Lord, with chronic pain, chronic conditions, father, diabetes, father, arthritis, father, more serious situations, father, that are life-threatening. Father, I pray even perhaps some that may be in a hospital room right now, father. And father, that they would feel the life of the word of God come alive in their heart, that Lord, you healed 2,000 years ago when you walked the streets of galilee, you can heal today in that hospital room or in that home right now. So, touch and heal. And father, I pray that when this happens, that they would be quick to give you the praise and the glory in Jesus' name.
Joyce Meyer: Amen. Well, I believe that many people are being touched right now, and we want you to have a very best life that God can give you. And so, I want to make this resources of God's healing scriptures available to you today. It's an offer that we're making to you absolutely free. I had this on my heart. I know the power of the word, i've seen what it's done in my life. And I believe that Jesus can heal you everywhere you hurt. I don't think he just wants to heal us spiritually so we can try to make it through life, and then someday go to heaven. I think he wants us to have energy and dreams for our lives, and he wants us to be healed emotionally, and live really good lives, and have--feel good. I want to feel good. I don't want to feel bad all the time. I want to feel good. And so, I believe that, you know, it's certainly not going to be your total answer, but I believe that just listening to these scriptures and getting that revelation that God wants to heal you, even while you're going--you could listen to his on your way to the doctor. You know, i'm not telling you it's one or the other. What i'm saying is let--open the door of your heart to let God really work in your life, and stick with it. Don't just do something for one time and think, "well, it didn't work." You stick with God, and i'll tell you what, he will never let you down. So, you ask for this resource, and we'd like to give it to you as a gift. And I believe it will be a blessing to you. Thank you for being with us today. And Paul Osteen, once again, thank you for coming.
Joyce Meyer: well, there's really no special formula to spending time with God. It's just very important that you do it. Making this a priority will change your life like nothing else. I know it has mine, and now I want to help you enrich your time with God by sharing some thoughts and insights from my own life in my brand new devotional called "my time with God." Let's focus on him together. And my prayer is that these scriptures and declarations of faith will help you grow deeper in your relationship with christ a little bit more every single day.
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