Voting for Unity: The Heart of Our Nation 5 Feb. 2018 - George Pearsons, Michele Bachmann, David Barton and Keith Butler. Unity is the heart of our nation! That’s why it’s important to vote for politicians who will promote unity, not division. In day two of the Believer’s Voice of Victory broadcast series Faith for Our Nation—Vote Special, George Pearsons, Michele Bachmann, David Barton and Keith Butler reveal the reason America is divided, and God’s solution to uniting our country.
full text "Voting for Unity: The Heart of Our Nation" 5 Feb. 2018 - George Pearsons, Michele Bachmann, David Barton and Keith Butler (Kenneth Copeland ministries)
KEITH MOORE: The reason why you have the division is because the standard has been removed.
MICHELE BACHMANN: Amen.
KEITH: You only get unity
KEITH: if you have a there's some standard that everyone agrees to some extent on.
GEORGE PEARSONS: Yeah, sure.
KEITH: And that's standard from America's history
KEITH: through the times, all the way up to the times he's talking about, was the Bible. (Music)
GEORGE: Hello. I'm Pastor George Pearsons. Welcome to this special edition of the Believer's Voice of Victory, "Faith For Our Nation." And I have a distinguished group of people sitting at this table with me. I am so excited to have Bishop Keith Butler, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, and David Barton with us. And we are talking about the elections, the elections, the primary elections that are upon us, the midterm elections that are happening in our nation later on in this year. And I was having a discussion some time ago with Brother Copeland about those midterm elections. And I was saying that that people don't realize that those those midterm elections are as important as the presidential election. And then he corrected me, and he said, "No, they're more important than the presidential election." So this is and typically during an election year, midterm elections, we don't hear much about it. There are not a whole lot of things that are said concerning that. But this is so important. We have a responsibility by God to vote, to let our voices be heard. And we have a seed that we are able to sow. And to not vote is to sow the wrong seed. And to vote for the wrong one is to sow the right the wrong seed. So we are here talking about these issues this week, about how important it is that we vote. How many at this table are going to vote at those midterm elections and primaries?
MICHELE: Oh, amen.
GEORGE: Right here.
MICHELE: Always, always, always.
GEORGE: And let me just share this really quick with you, and we'll go on to our topic. But I was talking to you early this morning about how, every time I go to the polls, I go into the voting booth, and I pray, and I pray in the Spirit. And I spend a long time in that voting booth, even though I know who I'm going to vote for. I pray for every candidate, I pray for their families. I spend time in there worshiping God and thanking Him for the privilege and the honor that it is to be able to vote in this nation, have my vote my voice heard. And I'll just stay in there and have just a whole worship service with the Lord. And I recommend that you do that same thing, too, that you take that as an opportunity to use your ability to worship God when you go in there to vote, because He's looking to us, He's looking to you and me to be able to make the decisions necessary for this country. He is where that's concerned, He's not in control. We are. We have been given delegated authority. And I've gone to preaching, and I'm going to hear what you have to say.
KEITH: and they used to say it about prayer, though.
KEITH: Almost 40 years ago when I graduated from Bible school oh, man. Ha-ha. But that was 40 years ago. In fact, this this year, I graduated from Bible school 40 years ago.
GEORGE: Yeah, okay.
KEITH: And after I graduated, I'm a young pastor, and I'd only been pastoring a church about 18 months, two years, okay. And elections came up. And and I was in prayer, at the altar praying, at the church.
KEITH: And the Lord I wasn't praying about elections or anything. And I heard the Lord say to me, just as clear as day, He said, "Vote for so-and-so." And I was shocked
KEITH: because I would never have voted for so-and-so.
KEITH: I would not have considered voting for so-and-so. It was a shocking revelation for me.
KEITH: And He said, "Vote for so-and-so." And so I was so shocked, I just hardly couldn't believe what so the election time came. I went in the booth, and I sad to say, I was so
GEORGE: Ha-ha, yeah.
KEITH: couldn't do it.
KEITH: So so I didn't do it.
GEORGE: Yeah, oh.
KEITH: Then I repented.
KEITH: But four years later, I wound up doing some stuff, helping that guy (Laughs)
GEORGE: Now you get to make it up.
KEITH: Yeah. And
GEORGE: That's good. That's good.
KEITH: And the Lord changed my whole thought and philosophy of everything, because after that, I started reading the Bible about this issue because in Bible school
KEITH: you're not trained to think that way.
DAVID: Yeah, yeah.
KEITH: And so I started looking
MICHELE: You should be.
KEITH: Yeah, you should be. But
DAVID: Because it's in the Bible.
KEITH: Yeah. And but I didn't, you know? And I started going through that, and that's when I started getting out, "Well, who stands what? And I'll start praying over that." And the Lord upended my whole philosophy of everything
KEITH: just by praying that day. And I wasn't even praying about the election. So I just kind of wanted to mention that because you were talking about prayer.
GEORGE: Prayer works in that where that's concerned. I want to read a scripture to you, and then we'll get on to our topic. But it says in James 3:16, "Where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work." We've seen some things take place in our nation where that that division has tried to rise up and divide us, to separate us. And, you know, one of the things that I see is and I wanted to want you to address this because you've been right in the thick of it in Washington, and you probably know all about this. But where the media is concerned, I really believe that the devil uses them to stir up that division and stir up that strife. I mean, have you from your experience, frustrated with the media, frustrated with what they've done? Do we do we know little of what's happening in Washington because of what's coming across the news?
MICHELE: Well, yeah. You can I think a person can try and use the media to speak to the hearts of the people. Ronald Reagan is probably the best example there was
MICHELE: where the media would tell lies, but he would just speak clearly and go right to the hearts of the people. So that's a whole issue. But I think this whole idea of division
MICHELE: in America is real. We just talked about the fact that Josh McDowell last week told me that the young people that are coming up are the most depressed that pollsters have ever found. Why is there this division? Why is there this strife and this envy that we talk about? It comes from the devil. It comes from the devil, and it comes from focusing on things that are evil rather than what's good. If you look at the word "university," for instance, "uni" is "one."
MICHELE: "Veritas" is truth. "One in truth."
MICHELE: That's what this Word is.
MICHELE: His Word is truth. When we focus on biblical principles, biblical morality, that's the greatest form of happiness
MICHELE: and unity. And if you look you know, whether it's public schools or whether it's the media today, it's depressing. You can't go on Netflix or somewhere today and find a decent movie to watch. It's all depressing.
MICHELE: And so just like the Scripture tells us in Philippians, "Think on these things that are good, just, lovely, a good report." That brings us to unity because, again, it brings us to the face and heart of God.
MICHELE: And that's really where unity comes. So the media, they're sowing the envy, they're sowing the strife.
MICHELE: But if our focus is on the truth of His Word, that's where our greatest happiness comes.
GEORGE: Yeah, absolutely.
DAVID: There is an aspect of this that becomes very significant because what we're talking about is the way God views things and the way humans view it.
MICHELE: That's right. That's right.
DAVID: In God's kingdom, you've got Revelation 7:9, where gathered around His throne are people from all tribes, all races, all nations, all languages. They're all one. It's really easy for Him. As a matter of fact, I'm finishing a book that'll come out in just a few months. And one of the sections deals with the issue of race and the Bible. And when you look at it, the word in the Bible is "ethnos." It's where we get "ethnicity."
DAVID: And so, I wonder what the Bible says about ethnicity? Well, you have 160 references to "ethnos" in the Bible. And there's a Hebrew equivalent of that as well. So when you look at it, what you find is, how many ethnicities are there in the Bible? And there's only two. There's only two ethnicities. And they're defined as those who know God and those who don't know God.
GEORGE: Ah, yes.
DAVID: And so God's view is not about color of skin or gender or anything else, because we're told in the scriptures, "There's neither Jew nor Greek, there's neither Scythian nor free, there's neither male nor female " He's got a whole different viewpoint. And so anything that doesn't have that viewpoint is a world viewpoint. And in America, that anti-biblical viewpoint really came to being in the 1920s with what we now call "secular progressives." "Secular," I mean, they're against God's Word. But "progressive" means they want to get away from the old ways of doing things.
DAVID: And the old ways are not always bad ways. Technology needs to change, but you don't change the principles. Rights and wrongs don't need to change. Secular progressivism there's two key terms there. "Secular", alright, that defines itself. It's not God. God is not secular, God is spiritual. So secular is something that excludes God and God's way of thinking. So right off the bat, "secular" is a problem. Progressivism is something that says, "Oh, we're always evolving, and we don't need what was in the past, because we're a whole lot smarter than they were. After all, we are an evolving people." You don't evolve past having a need for Christ in your heart. So if you don't have a spiritual input, if you're just a secular person, then you're going to have exactly what we had in the 20th century, whether it be a Stalin or whether it be a Pol Pot or whether it be with Castro or anything else. There's no regard for human rights, because there is no God. You don't account to Him, so I can do what I want. So progressives are always looking to change things regardless of what works. Since they believe that things are always evolving, they don't even use statistics to see if it works well. "It's just a great idea, so let's do it. It's something new." You know, we used to have really good reading scores in education, but teachers said, "Oh, we're tired of using phonics, so let's go to a whole language. And it didn't work, and scores plummeted. "Oh, I got it. Let's do Goals 2000." That didn't work. "I know! Let's do Common Core." That's not working. They didn't test any of them, that was just a new, great idea they had. And that's the deal with secular progressives. Not only do they exclude God, they're always wanting to try the newest thing, the newest fad before they test it. You know, Jesus said, "You judge a tree by its fruits." Let's see what kind of fruit it produces before we really get into this. We don't do that anymore. So that's the problem with secular progressives. Not only are they anti-God, anti-Bible, they're wanting to move beyond all that God said and did, because they're progressing, they're evolving, they're moving forward. And that just is not what human history has shown to be true. It doesn't work that way. At the end of World War I, you've had Europe all torn to pieces. And Europe is you know, they're looking to recover. And people say, "Oh, let's go to America, got to get out of here." And so we had so many immigrants coming to America in 1919, the chief of naturalization did this book right here. Now, they reprinted it in 1941 because Hitler's moved into Czechoslovakia. He's gone into Poland. "Oh, my gosh, it's going to happen again. Let's get out of here." So people come to America, so they reprint this book. Now, I want you to see what the chief listen what the chief of naturalization says here about how you become an American citizen. He says just reading from here, he says, "An American is a man who is greater in his soul than in his class, creed, political party, or the section in which he lives. To be an American, a man must have an American soul and believe in the spiritual realities upon which America rests and out of which America was born. America was created to light mankind with those passions which lift and not by the passions which separate and debase. We came to America, either ourselves or in the person of our ancestors, to better the ideals of man and make them see finer things " listen to this " to get rid of the things that divide and make sure of the things that unite."
DAVID: Now, that was the standard.
DAVID: And what pro what secular progressives do is you they don't see you as an individual. They see you as part of a group. And you don't have worth unless you're part of a group. So, "Oh, you're female. Okay. You're African-American. I'm Anglo. That doesn't count." So we say—and
MICHELE: And they stereotype me
DAVID: They stereotype you.
MICHELE: that I only have one set of beliefs or you have only one set of beliefs, so
DAVID: Yeah, but you're not
MICHELE: they demeaned me.
DAVID: You're not you're not a good woman because you're not pro-abortion.
MICHELE: That's right.
DAVID: So you don't fit the but see, what happens is in D.C. now, you have lobbying not for people, you have lobbying for groups.
MICHELE: That's right.
DAVID: Are you gay, are you straight? Are you union, are you right to work? Are you senior? Are you Hispanic? Are you Latin?" whatever you are. And God says, "No, no, no. I don't look on the outside. I look on the inside."
DAVID: And so all this stuff that we see going on that separates us and by the way, our tax code does as well, because we had to change the Constitution to have groups and tax code. Used to be just like the tithe. God says, "All of you pay 10 percent." Didn't matter whether you were rich or poor. Now, a poor poor guy will always pay pay less than a rich guy because 10 percent of a hundred bucks is 10 bucks. And 10 percent of a hundred million is 10 million. But God treated everybody the same. And we come in, and we amended the tax code by the Constitutional amendment in 1913, 16th amendment, said, "No, let's have groups. And how much do you make? Okay, you're in this group." And so now we have rich versus
GEORGE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
DAVID: poor. We do our tax codes instead of the way God does it. And so we have so many things in our culture that divide us, including the way we take admissions into universities now.
MICHELE: Where we pit people purposely
DAVID: We put group against group.
MICHELE: against each other.
MICHELE: And Abraham Lincoln
MICHELE: was the one who understood, during the time of the Civil War and I know you're a big buff on Civil War that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
KEITH: Mark, Chapter 3.
MICHELE: You just read a quote talking about how there is a spiritual, a belief component that was the essence of America.
DAVID: That wasn't a pastor. That was the chief of naturalization.
MICHELE: That's right, chief of naturalization. And they also hit a pause button in the 1920s on immigration because we had to let people soak up to this belief and get it, because just because someone steps foot on America doesn't mean that all of a sudden they subscribe to the belief system of America. But, George, I think this is a huge issue. Everybody knows it, that America is different today than it was 20 years ago, that we're at each other's throats. That isn't the way it should be. The brotherhood of man wants what's best for the other.
KEITH: Well, the reason for it is very clear, and the fix for it's clear. You talked about the scripture, a house divided against itself cannot stand, Mark, Chapter 3. The reason why you have the division is because the standard has been removed.
KEITH: You only get unity
KEITH: if you have a there's some standard that everyone agrees to some extent on.
GEORGE: Mm-hmm, yeah, sure.
KEITH: And that standard from America's history
KEITH: through the times all the way up to the times he's talking about was the Bible.
KEITH: And so now when you have secular progressivism that supposedly debunks the Scripture and removes this standard from the country, and now you've got something of everything.
DAVID: Everybody makes their own standard.
MICHELE: Well, okay, and that's that's also-
KEITH: So you get back.
MICHELE: biblical of "every man doing that which is right in his own eyes." So that's the definition of anarchy. So when
KEITH: That's what it means.
MICHELE: we don't stand by that standard, we each come up with our own morality, you have a recipe for disaster.
KEITH: That's why you have the division.
KEITH: The other side of that, however, to get back to the unity is, once again, starting with the pulpit, right-
KEITH: is that the Word of God has to be taken back to its highest place. And the place it belongs, the highest place in our lives, the standard of living, this is what we believe. And you're not going to have unity in America until that happens.
KEITH: You'll have you'll continue to have the devolution, as it were
KEITH: of the whole fracturing of the country unless we get back to this, so
MICHELE: Okay. And so then how do we do that? How does that happen?
KEITH: You've got to have people elected
MICHELE: That's the question now.
KEITH: who believe
GEORGE: That okay.
KEITH: that this is the standard.
DAVID: That's right. If the people running for office start looking at groups and calling them by groups instead of saying, "You're God's children, you're Americans," whatever. If they don't have that standard
MICHELE: Valuing the individual
MICHELE: elevating as God does.
DAVID: That's right.
MICHELE: Every person's important to God.
MICHELE: The individual.
KEITH: Right. And they're individual.
DAVID: You remember in the when they did I think it was 2007 in the House when they had the hate crimes, the discussion on the committee was, "Well, we want to do hate crimes for gays and homosexuals."
DAVID: And one of
DAVID: One of our friends popped up and said, "All right, I wanted to do hate crimes that you can't go after veterans or seniors." They said, "No, those aren't groups we want to protect. We want to protect these groups."
MICHELE: That's right.
DAVID: And so when you're doing different things for different people instead and our founding documents say that as a matter of fact, our founding documents
MICHELE: Equal protection under the law.
DAVID: You're talking about this is a pastor right here from 1680s. And this pastor, John Weiss, actually, in 1680s, preached a sermon that said, "All men are created equal. They're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable " which is the Declaration.
DAVID: He also said several other lines. But in 1772, they brought this book back out and spread it all over America so Americans would learn to think biblically again. And this is where the individual stuff got
DAVID: And you're talking about that Josh McDowell talked about how depressed the young kids are. They go to an education system now that only focuses on the bad and the ugly
DAVID: it never teaches the good.
KEITH: And took the Bible out of out of education.
MICHELE: That's right.
DAVID: That's exactly right.
MICHELE: And prohibits it from coming
DAVID: It's secular education. And all they care about is groups, and which group, and this group's oppressing this group, and this and you don't see the brotherhood of man anymore, where that all men are created equal, where that, you know, even back in America, I'm sitting here with surrounded with stuff that kids have not been taught today on black history, that if they knew, they would have a whole different view; that if whites knew, they'd have a whole different view. And, you know, I'll just take two quick pictures here. These are really simple things. People may recognize the crossing of the Delaware.
DAVID: What they will never recognize is that you've got black guys sitting right up front here with George Washington and white guys. You've got Oliver Prince Oliver Cromwell and Prince Whipple right there.
MICHELE: Oh, yeah.
DAVID: And but we used to know these guys by name. We knew that, hey, black and white fighting side by side. The American Revolution is filled with so many good stories. The same here. This is the Battle of Bunker Hill, very famous painting. And all your eyes seems to be drawn to this guy right here, but there's two guys over here on the side off by themselves
MICHELE: Mm, yeah, you're right.
KEITH: Look at that.
DAVID: right there. That guy, Peter Salem, he was the hero of the entire battle. That's why he's featured by himself. He got 12 military commendations for what happened here. They presented the commander in chief. They built a monument. Kids ever heard that name?
DAVID: And when I ask kids today, "Who " And that's Thomas Gruber there, and that's Peter Salem, and say, "Who's that?" "Oh, he's the slave of this white guy."
DAVID: No, no, no, no. He's the hero of the battle, you know?
GEORGE: (Laughs) Yeah.
MICHELE: I want to know that story.
DAVID: Well, and see, that's what all this is. And, you know, all this is stuff that we used to know
MICHELE: Our hearts should be singing.
DAVID: that we don't—well-
MICHELE: with our great history.
DAVID: Do you know, a secular progressive was Woodrow Wilson. And he is the first guy to show a film in the White House, and it was a Ku Klux Klan recruiting film.
GEORGE: Oh, my.
DAVID: And the film was based on the history books that he wrote. I've got his original history books of five volumes. They're called "The History of the American People."
MICHELE: And who wrote it?
DAVID: Woodrow Wilson, President Woodrow Wilson.
MICHELE: Oh, oh, oh.
DAVID: He is a hardcore racist. And people said, "Oh, he's the president of Princeton. He knows so much."
DAVID: He is the guy who took all of these names out of history. And so academics say, "Oh, man, he's a secular progressive. He's one of us." And so we no longer teach history where it's black and white and brown and Asian. And we don't teach "all men are created equal." And we pair them against each other. And that's there's some of that in history, no question there's some of that. But there's so much wholesome stuff that the kids never hear anymore.
MICHELE: That's the unity.
DAVID: That's the unity.
MICHELE: That's what builds our hearts together in love.
DAVID: There's God's way, and there's the world's way
DAVID: and they keep looking at the world's way, and it's out there. But let's also look at God's way, because that works that's what works.
GEORGE: In the last few minutes of this broadcast, let's pull this together in terms of the midterm elections.
GEORGE: How what how does this affect the midterm elections where the unity and that lack of division is concerned? How do we do that?
KEITH: You must elect people who have a biblical worldview and believe the Bible first. That's the only place
MICHELE: And how do we know
KEITH: the only way you can
MICHELE: How do we know
DAVID: If they're talking
MICHELE: that people hold that view? That's that's the question.
DAVID: If they're talking groups, if they're talking rights of gays, or if they're no, no, no, no. Rights of people. Everybody has equal rights. And when you hear somebody start breaking them into groups, you get problems. That's not what you want to do.
DAVID: If you've taken an oath to uphold our documents, our documents say that God made everybody equal
DAVID: then hold that position. And if you hear people start breaking groups up and, you know, women against men and blacks against whites and no. That's the wrong thinking. You want a biblical worldview. And God is not concerned God is no more concerned about what color I am than, Bishop, than what your gender is.
MICHELE: Amen, amen.
DAVID: That does not concern Him in the least.
KEITH: You have to do some research.
MICHELE: And I think that's something that
DAVID: There you go.
MICHELE: that's something that people
MICHELE: falsely don't understand on the hate crime issue. So we were looking for kind of a litmus test before on the pro-life issue, on this hate crime issue. If you have hate crimes based upon groups and not all groups are protected equal, then that tells you it's division. It's not unity.
MICHELE: And, George, what you're saying is that we need to have a united nation again. We need to be united in purpose
GEORGE: Yes, yes.
MICHELE: in purpose under the Lord Jesus Christ.
DAVID: And Bishop is right-
GEORGE: This is what you were talking about right there, the Word.
DAVID: And Bishop mentioned you've got to do research. And it will take you a few minutes to find out about this.
KEITH: And you've got to do research. But it starts with the Church, hence, probably the reason for these broadcasts. The Church has to become united once again on
DAVID: That's right.
KEITH: this is
GEORGE: Yes, yes.
KEITH: speaking to us.
KEITH: And it must be the highest
KEITH: form of thought in everything in our lives.
MICHELE: And you know, in every church, there could be somebody in the church who takes this on and does the work
KEITH: The pastor.
MICHELE: and makes it available.
KEITH: It is the pastor's job to teach this as the highest form.
KEITH: That's not true in our pulpits anymore.
MICHELE: But there can be even if the pastor doesn't, there could be a layperson in that congregation that can do the research and figure out which candidates are going to stand for biblical values and which aren't. And they could make that available to the congregation. So somebody could take that on as a project in the congregation.
GEORGE: I have available these are available right now. We'll put this up for them. But I have all of my notes from what I've taught during the election cycles, the assignment that Brother Copeland gave me. He said, "You read the the Republican and the Democratic platforms " That's what I have right here. This is the the actual ones that I studied. " and see where they stand."
MICHELE: That's marvelous.
GEORGE: "And then "
MICHELE: That's marvelous.
GEORGE: " present that to the congregation."
MICHELE: Because it's their own voice.
GEORGE: It's their own voice.
MICHELE: It's their own voice.
GEORGE: And so all of my all of my notes that I have for that are available to them right now online. And we can connect them to those actual sermons. But that's what the Lord had me do, is to do that research. And
MICHELE: Looking for the Bible basis
MICHELE: in each platform.
MICHELE: Again, not political, but what's the Bible say?
KEITH: One thing I want to say about that is that, what we're now discovering is that there are Democrats who actually aren't what the Democrats stand for, and Republicans that
GEORGE: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
KEITH: are not what the Republicans stand for.
GEORGE: That's right.
KEITH: That's why you've got to do the research, because
DAVID: Yeah, that's right.
GEORGE: Yeah, that's right.
KEITH: We don't have to time to get into that. Maybe in the next session.
GEORGE: Some of them don't some of them don't read their own platforms.
MICHELE: No, but you're right. But you're right because just
DAVID: Well, they're individuals. They're not groups.
DAVID: They're individuals.
GEORGE: All right. Well, let's pray over this one. Father, in the name of Jesus, we hit this right at the root. Devil, you are the source of the spirit of division.
GEORGE: And we declare that you are you bow down, bow your knee to the name which is above every name, the name of Jesus. And we decree and declare that we are the United States of America. And there is an awakening taking place in the United States, and there's an awakening taking place in the people. And, Father, we thank You for this this these primary elections and the midterm elections, and that, Lord, we are going to vote Your Word and people who stand for the Word of the living God. Thank You that Washington will be covered up with prayers. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Do we agree with that?
MICHELE: Yes, we do.
GEORGE: We are in unity on that. Ha-ha. I'll be right back. Stay with us.
KEITH: Jesus said, and Satan heard Jesus say, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Didn't say, "should not stand," said, "cannot stand." In other words, where you have disunity, you you have stopped the ability to bring about the growth that you want in positive things. The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, unity is paramount. And the way that you get unity is to be able to have one single standard. And that standard in the Church is supposed to be the B-i-b-l-e, the Bible. The Bible is God speaking to us. Once again, however, we must have real teaching on these matters. We must have line-by-line teaching on these matters so that we can get into unity on the Word. In the in the New Testament, it says there's a promise of God that covers everything regarding life or godliness. So there's a promise of God that covers economics, covers health issues, covers justice issues, covers husbands and wives, single issues. You name it, whatever it is, that's our standard. And once we, once again, go back to teaching that in that kind of detail in our churches, we'll see unanimity come once again for people who have a pure heart for God, who really love God. And that's where, when the Church has unity, power can be manifest. The power of God only manifests where individuals are united together, don't have strife, and are standing on the Word of God.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.