Voting to Stand With Israel - Kenneth Copeland Ministries online, Should we be voting for politicians who stand with Israel? Yes! In this episode of Believer’s Voice of Victory, George Pearsons, Michele Bachmann, David Barton and Keith Butler discuss why Israel is so important to God and the future of America. Tune in to the third episode of Faith for Our Nation—Vote Special.
MICHELE BACHMANN: When we agree with God's viewpoint, that's where you have unity, that's where you have hope, that's where you have happiness. The issue of Israel is the Bible, the covenant, Abraham. Three-fourths of the Bible is the Old Testament. God is the first character. What's the second? Israel. GEORGE PEARSONS: I'm Pastor George Pearsons. Welcome to this special edition of the Believer's Voice of Victory broadcast, "Faith For Our Nation."
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It is primary time. And midterm elections are coming up later in the year. And we are here today on set with Bishop Keith Butler, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, and David Barton. And we're talking about how important it is, number one, for us to vote, and then number two, the issues that we are voting on. And today, we're going to talk about Israel. And we'll talk about national security. But let me read these two scriptures, and then we'll jump off from there. In Genesis 12:3, "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you, I will curse: and all the people of the earth will be blessed through you," talking about Israel. And then in Zechariah 2:8, "For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After his glory had sent me his messenger to the nations who plundered you: for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye." So we see right away how important it is that we as a nation support Israel and how, in administrations in the past, there has not been support for Israel. We must vote for politicians who stand for Israel. Is that the truth? MICHELE: Amen. KEITH: Psalm 122:6. GEORGE: Okay. KEITH: "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem." GEORGE: peace of Jerusalem. KEITH: "They shall prosper that love thee." GEORGE: Ah. MICHELE: Amen.
GEORGE: I like that. I like that. MICHELE: And there is no other nation mentioned where we every individual that's ever lived has a relationship with Israel for blessing or cursing. GEORGE: Yes. MICHELE: But so, too, when we read Matthew 25, every nation also has a relationship with Israel, because Matthew 25 says GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: all nations will be called to the valley of Jehoshaphat. And there, Jesus will be on His throne, and He separates the nations GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: The people, but the nations, for the sheep and the goat. And on what basis? How they treated Zion. GEORGE: It's how they treated yeah, that's right. MICHELE: So our nation has been blessed because we have blessed Israel; that as we, as a nation, turn against Israel, then we receive repercussions inevitably. DAVID: And let me let me just establish real clear that America has been the best friend Israel has had in her rebirth, since 1948.
MICHELE: Amen. GEORGE: Right. DAVID: This is the New York Times newspaper from 1948 that says, "Israel has declared independence." And this came from the Balfour Declaration back in World War I all the way through the mandate. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. DAVID: And so but what's key is, only 11 minutes after Israel made the announcement, Truman jumped on and said MICHELE: A Democrat. DAVID: "We recognize you." MICHELE: A Democrat. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: And so America is the first nation to recognize Israel. This is kind of fun, too. Not Hebrew. Anybody read Hebrew? What I can tell you is what's in you have to open the book backwards to actually read it because it's you know. KEITH: Right. DAVID: And as you go through, what's significant about it, if I can even get it to the right place, is on the this is done in 1947, and it's done in Munich, Germany. Now, it is the Hebrew scriptures. This is done under President Eisenhower before Israel becomes a nation. This is the scriptures, and they did this in Munich. And it's for the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force. So even before there was an Israel and the Israel military is getting established, Eisenhower is helping them and giving them spiritual food and sustenance. So this is the this is a Bible that was done, again, with the United States for Israel. But we go back to John Adams and John Quincy Adams, who, back in the 1800s, were calling for Israel to be reestablished as a nation. MICHELE: They were Zionists. DAVID: They were Zionists back then. MICHELE: They were Zionists.
GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: This is this is a book this is this one is done by a number of Founding Fathers. But this is about if I can get the official name of the society here, "The Restoration of the Jews, Contemplated and Urged," but it's "Israel's Advocate." I mean, this is this present Congress, Elias Boudinot and all the Founding Fathers, they understood Genesis 12:3. If you blessed Israel, God is going to bless you. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: And if you don't GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: you're in trouble. And America has had a long record. Now, I think that the dividing line in what we'll look for with politicians is where they are on the two-state solution, because that two-state solution KEITH: Yeah, that's right. Right, right. GEORGE: Right. DAVID: says, Israel, give up your land to the Palestinians. No way. MICHELE: And divide Jerusalem. DAVID: And divide Jerusalem. MICHELE: And they demand that you divide Jerusalem. DAVID: And that's a problem.
MICHELE: Yeah. DAVID: And I'll just say it real blunt. You're surrounded by about 23 other Arabic nations around Israel. Israel is, I think, one-sixth of one percent of the land of the region. All the other nations can give the Palestinians as much land as they want. They don't want other land. They want Israel's land. MICHELE: That's all it is. DAVID: That's all it is. MICHELE: It's always been that. DAVID: And so if you if a politician says, "Well, Palestinians need to have land from Israel," sorry, you have just stood against Israel, and you're not God's not going to bless you. GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: Yeah. KEITH: Do you know how many times in the Bible I've forgotten the exact number, but how many times because it's several. It's over a hundred-and-something times that God says that the land belongs to Israel DAVID: Mm-hmm. KEITH: forever. DAVID: Forever. GEORGE: Forever. KEITH: And they use the term, "forever." DAVID: Mm-hmm.
KEITH: And it says it over a hundred times, okay. And, of course, the borders that the Scripture gives you is larger than what is the current state of Israel. DAVID: Mm-hmm. KEITH: But God says it belongs to them, it belongs forever DAVID: And by the way KEITH: to the seed of David and so forth. DAVID: it was Israel excuse it was Great Britain when under the British mandate that made Israel give up that extra land. They formed Lebanon out of it and Transjordan and other stuff. And all that land used to be there until the British gave it away. And at the time the British gave that away, they were the largest MICHELE: They were the superpower. DAVID: most powerful nation in the world. Now, where are they today? MICHELE: Mm-hmm. DAVID: You know, they MICHELE: They're a byword among the nations. DAVID: Yeah. They caused Israel to give away the land. MICHELE: Right. DAVID: And there is no Great Britain like it is
MICHELE: And let's remember, though, too, the greatest Zionist is God. God is a Zionist. GEORGE: That's true. KEITH: Praise God. MICHELE: And just like all of the issues that we're talking about this week GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: when we when we agree with God's viewpoint, that's where you have unity, that's where you have hope, that's where you have happiness. The issue of Israel is the Bible, the covenant, Abraham. Three-fourths of the Bible is the Old Testament. God is the first character. What's the second? Israel. GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: Israel is the second character in the Old Testament. And the question is, are we going to believe are we going to agree with God or not? GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: And there's a lot of people in the United States Congress who say, "I'm for Israel." They're for Israel, and yet they voted for the Iran agreement. DAVID: Yeah. MICHELE: And Iran has said, over and over and over, their goal is to annihilate Israel. DAVID: Annihilate Israel. MICHELE: So I think when David said, okay, how are you going to test whether a politician is pro-Israel or not KEITH: Yeah, that's one right there. MICHELE: because they're going to say it. KEITH: Yeah. MICHELE: That's one way that you test it, because this remember, Israel is super tiny. Think of the state of New Jersey. That's all the bigger it is. And yet DAVID: With the population of Indiana. MICHELE: With a population of Indiana. DAVID: That's right. You take the population of MICHELE: And yet what they want to do is they want to cut Israel down so she'll maybe be six miles wide. Now, Texas has ranches that are bigger than. GEORGE: Oh, yeah. Yeah. MICHELE: So think about that. The goal has always been, from Satan, to cut Israel back, cut Israel back, hurt this nation. You cannot touch His people. You cannot touch His land. You cannot touch Jerusalem. Why? Because God gave a people and a land to bless the nations. And so we need to keep that blessing there. KEITH: Yeah. MICHELE: And that's why we are blessed. KEITH: And God promised, of course, to David, and you go back in the Scripture and you see how Jerusalem is not supposed to be divided. MICHELE: Amen.
KEITH: Israel is not supposed to be divided, but especially Jerusalem. In the Bible, God considered Jerusalem as the capital city of the world. MICHELE: Yeah. It's His throne. KEITH: And Israel is He is MICHELE: It's His throne. KEITH: Scripture says it's His throne. And even in the millennial reign of Christ, Jerusalem will be the capital. It's never to be divided. And so if you ever notice, whenever American policy, when it gets to Israel, is the bad things happen. DAVID: Yeah, that's right. MICHELE: Amen. Now, here's here's something to think about. GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: On these local elections, there's a big push right now for states and localities to pass laws that will hurt Israel DAVID: BDS. KEITH: BDS, yeah. MICHELE: economically. That's right. And that's Boycott Divestment Sanction. Even local colleges and universities DAVID: Campuses are doing it like crazy. MICHELE: are trying to pass that. DAVID: There were 1600 anti-Israel events last year.
MICHELE: And the whole goal is that yes. DAVID: On campuses. MICHELE: And the whole goal is they want to bring about an economic annihilation, not just physical, personal, "We want to hit you," but, "We want to hurt you in your pocketbook." And that's what BDS does. Probably one of the most important issues that any government can deal with is how it's going to respond to Israel. Will we as a country bless Israel, or will we as a country hurt, harm, or curse Israel? It's a very big issue. And those who don't like Israel very much are trying to put Israel out of existence. When you hear from terrorists, they'll say that they want to annihilate Israel. In order words, death to Israel. They want to see the people and the country gone. One way that they go about doing that is through economic means, to choke off Israel economically. And they do that by urging other people to boycott any product that is made in Israel. That's the boycott part. "Divestment" means if you have a company in Israel that's maybe listed on a stock exchange, there's pressure for a university or a company or individuals to divest themselves. In other words, no longer hold the stock of an Israeli company. So if you get rid of that stock, that means that you're taking the money out of that company. You're gonna hurt it. "Sanctions" means a government would put handcuffs on Israel or an Israeli company, so that that company maybe couldn't trade, couldn't get advantages that they could have gotten at in in any other way. Those are three serious methods: boycott, divestment, and sanctions. To strangle economically Israel.
And the haters of Israel want to do exactly that. That's why it's very important that people who are running for office state if they believe in boycott, divestment, sanction of Israel, which is economic strangulation, or if they believe in blessing Israel by making sure we can maintain positive economic relations. If you're voting in your city, in your county, in your state, where a person stands on Israel is so important, because if you're for Israel, you're not going to vote for a measure that's going to squeeze Israel dry, because the freest, most democratic state in the Middle East is Israel. If you look at all the Arab nations, God we're not saying God hates Arabs. But what we're saying is that if you want to talk about freedom, if you're a woman in the Middle East, you want to be in Israel. There is no other place where they are freer. So we could go on a number of different levels looking at Israel, what they've done right, what they've done wrong. But I will tell you, it has profound impact on these local and state races. GEORGE: Yeah, yeah. DAVID: And let me add to it, the fact that we're pro-Israel, pro-Zionist doesn't mean we think Israel has done everything right. MICHELE: Right. DAVID: God spanks His own kids. KEITH: He sure did with them, yeah. DAVID: I mean, if you think this will happen to them MICHELE: Amen, amen. DAVID: But it doesn't change the fact you know, "You come after my kid, I'm going to have to take you on. That doesn't mean my kid's right all the time, but I'm not going to let you take my kid down."
MICHELE: But Israel isn't a side issue DAVID: And that's MICHELE: Israel is a central issue DAVID: That's essential. That's right. MICHELE: to God's own heart. DAVID: That's right. GEORGE: Yes. MICHELE: This is not a small thing. That's what we need to remember, that as individuals we talked earlier this week about our vote as a seed. Bishop KEITH: Yeah. MICHELE: you mentioned that. Our vote on Israel, who we vote for, will have profound impact on Israel. GEORGE: Oh. MICHELE: We're going to have to answer for that, too, on where we're at on Israel. KEITH: In our own harvest MICHELE: I'm a part of a KEITH: in our own harvest from that. The other thing about it, there's some good news in this, though. And that is, some states now have passed anti-BDS legislation. GEORGE: That's right. MICHELE: Yeah. DAVID: That's right. KEITH: Why did it happen? Because Christians voted for DAVID: That's right.
KEITH: people who stood with Israel. And I belong to an organization that's the largest Christian pro-Israel organization in the world, and so we've been fighting DAVID: Call them by name because everybody needs to be a member. KEITH: CUFI, Christians United for Israel. MICHELE: CUFI, that's right. DAVID: Everybody needs to be a member of CUFI. MICHELE: That's right. KEITH: I'm on the board of DAVID: There's 4 million Americans now of CUFI members KEITH: Exactly, right. DAVID: and everybody ought to be part of it. KEITH: And what's happened is that we have targeted or been involved in making sure that legislatures pass anti-BDS legislation. I think Christians stood with us. DAVID: That's right. MICHELE: Amen. KEITH: And if you're watching this today, this is a as you said, central issue. BDS is big. DAVID: That's right. KEITH: Okay? It's very big. And if you find anyone that's that's opposite of standing with Israel, particularly if they're for BDS, you don't want to vote MICHELE: Oh, it's absolutely huge KEITH: or cast your seed. MICHELE: I'm KEITH: You're supposed to bring harvest to you personally. MICHELE: I'm a part of a ministry now. We are trying to bring a biblical perspective to the United Nations. The United Nations isn't known for advancing from a biblical perspective. So we are (Laughter) DAVID: Or Israel. MICHELE: We're coming in on audacious beliefs that we can bring the Bible into the United Nations. But another part of what we're trying to do is to bring a pro-Israel perspective because a lot of lies are told at the United Nations. And a couple months ago, six resolutions were passed right after the 70th anniversary of the United Nations legally creating a space for the Jewish state to be reborn, they passed six anti-Israel resolutions. Well, this, again, is where the United States came in. The United States was only one of six nations that GEORGE: Yeah.
MICHELE: voted with Israel. That happens because there's pressure from the state, the local, every unit of government. So when you have local legislators and mayors and people who stand for Israel, it's really tough for a president to be anti-Israel when you have a whole country that is pro-Israel. GEORGE: Sure. MICHELE: And that's again, pastor, a biblical value that should be preached from the pulpits, why we need to take, as part of our seed and our vote, not only our pro-life views, our pro-economic views, but our pro-Israel views, which, again, God is the original Zionist. GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: You know, the you read the passage in Genesis 12:3. God said, "Abraham, I'll make a covenant with you." KEITH: Mm-hmm. DAVID: "You're going to have a nation, and whoever blesses be blessed, whoever curses be cursed." Now, Numbers 23:19, God says, you have "God, I'm not a man. I don't lie. If I told you something, I'm going to do it." We're told in Psalm 106 that He keeps His covenant for a thousand generations. KEITH: Mm-hmm. DAVID: Got news for you. We're only 200 generations of that covenant. We've got a long way to go. GEORGE: Long way to go. DAVID: So that covenant is not out. And for those who believe in replacement theology, you're dead wrong. God has not replaced Israel. MICHELE: But that means "replacement" means that the some people say the Church has replaced Israel, and that's false. KEITH: That's false, right. MICHELE: That is not true. DAVID: Because that covenant lasts for a thousand generations. MICHELE: Amen. Amen. DAVID: And so that is now going back to what Bishop said, an easy way to look in an election time an easy way to look at a state rep or a state senator, a local kind of race, is, where do you stand on BDS? And that's GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: Again, that's Boycott Divestiture Sanction.
GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: That's a way to punish Israel. And you mentioned the United Nations. You think of all the egregious civil rights violators in the world, whether it be North Korea about 5 million now have starved to death there under their leadership whether it be Cuba, whether it be MICHELE: Sudan. DAVID: what happens in Sudan. You there have been more resolutions condemning Israel than all of the other MICHELE: Than all the other offenders combined. DAVID: all the other nations combined. MICHELE: And that's every year. DAVID: It's an anti-God MICHELE: That's year on year. DAVID: thinking that exists at the UN.
And anything that God's got His hand on, they're going to be against. And that's why they're against marriage and life and everything else. KEITH: Right. DAVID: But and so on the state level, BDS is key. On the national level, that two-state solution, if you're voting for a congressman or senator, where they are, "Oh, no, Israel's got to give up the land to Palestine." GEORGE: No. DAVID: Joel's God says in Joel, "If you give up the land, I will not bless those who cause Israel to give up the land." MICHELE: And let's remember, the two-state solution has been out there since 1947. It has been offered on a platinum platter to the Arabs year after year, and they have rejected it. Even when 97 percent of their demands have been met, they reject it. Why? They want a one-state solution. DAVID: That's right. MICHELE: The one-state solution means they want it all. They were offered land, they've rejected land. Why? Because they hate they have an irrational
DAVID: They want Israel's land. MICHELE: hatred DAVID: That's right. MICHELE: of Israel and the Jewish people. And so let's remember, even if, let's say, the Arabs got what they wanted, and they got a hundred percent of that land, they still wouldn't be happy because they won't be happy as long as there are Jews who walk GEORGE: That's right. DAVID: That's right. MICHELE: on the face of the earth. GEORGE: That's right. That's right. MICHELE: It's an irrational hatred that is anti-God. DAVID: Yeah. KEITH: For the purposes of this broadcast so really, this does come down to this: You want to go to because all anyone running for public office has to have some public forums. DAVID: Mm-hmm. KEITH: And they have public forums whereby you get to ask some questions. This is the question you want to go. Take the time. You want to go and ask them the question about BDS at the local level. You want to ask them about if you're talking about a Senate congressman within the federal level, you want to ask them about the two-state solution. There you are right there. MICHELE: And do they believe that Jerusalem should be divided? That is KEITH: And DAVID: A divided Jerusalem. MICHELE: another one.
KEITH: And MICHELE: There should be an eternal, undivided KEITH: Yeah. MICHELE: capital of Israel, and that's Jerusalem. No shared capital, only because God doesn't share His throne with anyone. KEITH: And so now those in the public, you're beginning to understand the hallmarks from the Bible that you should look to see, who do I vote for? And why do I vote for them? GEORGE: And also, this the last point about even national security and how that has changed over the last couple of years. And again, in dealing with the national security, what do you ask a candidate? What do you how do you MICHELE: Well, I think you want to make sure that a candidate is very strong. "Do you support our military?" GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: "Will you support funding our military?" Because our military has been gutted in recent years. And also, I think the other part is, do you support securing our borders? KEITH: Mm-hmm. MICHELE: That we have so many problems today with America's national security because our borders aren't secure. And we need to make sure that our borders are secure because people are literally being killed and harmed because our borders aren't secure. DAVID: And here's the deal: You do not invite people into your house that would kill you.
You do not invite your enemies into your house. It just doesn't happen. And what's happened is America, as a Judeo-Christian biblical-based nation I had an organization where, over the last two years, we have helped about 53,000 Christians in the Middle East. We've moved 9,300 of them out of the Middle East. ISIS was after them. We actually have extraction teams that go in and take sex slaves away from ISIS. We've had two of our members killed in doing that. It's not an easy thing. But we're rescuing Christians. And we can send them to Brazil. I send them to Brazil. I send them to Australia, send them to Slovakia, I send them to Canada. Can't send them to the United States because the United States would not take Christians. That last year, they took 53 Christian immigrants in, but they're taking hundreds of thousands who don't like America and who would like to see America destroyed. That's part of border security, is, don't bring people in who want to blow you up. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: I've been in London twice when it was hit by terrorists. And they ran polls in London, and 23 percent of those living in England said they'd be happy to blow England up. And so, yeah, immigration stuff, you've got to get common sense on this thing.
You've got to stop inviting people in who want to kill you. KEITH: Yeah. DAVID: I mean, keep them on the outside at least. And so I will say, under Trump, for the first time in eight years, we now have more Christians coming in than we have non-Christians coming in. So we're at least getting people who are sympathetic to our values and not wanting to overthrow them. But that's a huge deal, is who comes across our border. First closing the borders so that we can know who's coming across, and then letting people in, come across who really want to do something.
MICHELE: And then having the guts to deport and remove people out of our country who are causing us trouble. We've actually let people in who are terrorists. GEORGE: Yeah. MICHELE: We've let them into our country. So this, again, goes back to the issue of praying for those who are in authority. We need to make sure that the people who
are in charge of our national security, who are in charge of securing America's national sovereignty GEORGE: Yes, yes. MICHELE: actually have our best interests in mind. That hasn't always been the case. And even today, we need to be in prayer that God removes people from positions of power GEORGE: Yep. MICHELE: who aren't securing America's national security and our borders. KEITH: And those are your prayer points. GEORGE: Yep. MICHELE: Amen. KEITH: So for those who intercede, okay, we're not only praying for those in authority to do the right thing, you're also praying that those who are not doing the right thing be removed.
MICHELE: That they be removed. DAVID: That's right. KEITH: That's the I Timothy 2. DAVID: That's good. KEITH: Okay, amen. MICHELE: Amen. GEORGE: In the remaining few moment do you have another point? KEITH: That's all right. Go ahead. GEORGE: remaining few moments, I want you to pray today, would you?
MICHELE: Father, we thank You GEORGE: Thank You, Jesus. MICHELE: oh, God, that as a nation GEORGE: Glory to God. MICHELE: we have stood with Your people, Israel GEORGE: Yes. Yes, Lord. MICHELE: because You gave a people through Abraham. You gave them a specific land for the purpose of blessing the nations. And Messiah will come through that line. And so, Father, we thank You now for this upcoming election. I pray that every believer watching today, and nonbeliever, that they will come to know You, that they will take this charge seriously. GEORGE: Thank You, Jesus. MICHELE: And that they will vote to bless and honor Israel with their vote in this election. We give this to You now GEORGE: Oh, thank You, Jesus. MICHELE: God. We thank You for this opportunity GEORGE: Thank You, God. MICHELE: to broadcast, to speak Your Word. GEORGE: Yes. MICHELE: In Jesus' name. GEORGE: Yes. MICHELE: Amen.
GEORGE: Thank You, Lord. Father, we thank You for the awakening in this nation. We are waking up. We are waking up to life. We are waking up to unity. We are waking up to how important Israel is is to the relationship of our nation. Oh, God, we thank You, and we honor You for the people that are being called into office. That's what we're looking for. MICHELE: Thank You. GEORGE: We're looking for people who are called by God to be in these positions. And, Lord, we see a day when the entire Senate is on their knees crying out to You. MICHELE: Yes. GEORGE: We see a day when the House is crying out to You. Father, we're seeing a day where the White House is praying. So, Lord, we set the bar higher MICHELE: Yes, Lord. GEORGE: where our nation is concerned. MICHELE: Yes, Lord. We agree. GEORGE: And we do our part. We pray. Believe Your Word, and we vote. MICHELE: Yes. GEORGE: In Jesus' name KEITH: In Jesus' name.
MICHELE: In Jesus' name. GEORGE: Amen KEITH: Amen. GEORGE: and amen. KEITH: Praise God. GEORGE: Praise God. I'll be right back with you. DAVID: So socialism puts everybody equal, treats everybody the same regardless of your skill, regardless of how hard you work; you reward the incompetent, you penalize the overproductive. But the free market system that came out of the Bible says, "You know what? If you produce a lot, you should get a lot. If you're lazy, you shouldn't get anything." And that gives you an incentive to be a good producer. So that's what socialism is. That's how America got away from socialism. By the way, they had the same experience in Jamestown 13 years earlier in 1607 when they started the socialism, and they got so lazy that they entered into a starving period where two-thirds of the people starved to death because they were too lazy to work. So that's socialism. It didn't work in Virginia, it didn't work in Massachusetts. We got away from it. That's where the free market system came to America. That's why socialism's bad. Never works.